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Seer Training: Christian or mysticism
A church in Scotland which is part of a mainstream denomination is running a course on Seer Training. Is this forward thinking or a route into occultic mysticism?
by Watchman
 We live in a day of both great threat and great opportunity.
Churches are haemhorraging members, our nation is now post-Christian and we are seeing new government legislation coming onto force which is making it more and more difficult for believers at all levels to maintain a solid Christian witness. A post-war baby boom of church leaders is heading for retirement whilst Christian denominations increasingly are following the secular tide into condoning and encouraging immoral models of relationship.
But change also presents great opportunity. Whenever prevailing and historical models are threatened, the loss of the status quo can produce a vacuum into which new things can flow and new paradigms emerge.
The question today is whether what is 'new' is biblical or a return to mystic and deviant practices.
The following is the blurb attaching to a forthcoming course in Scotland for Christians.
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The Seer Course
The Seer Course will walk you through the ancient Hebrew definition of the seeing gift and how it applies to you personally today. In this course, you will learn practical applications of how to function as a seer, how God wants to communicate with you as a seer, and how He taught Jeremiah to see.
You will grow in metaphorical (sic) [should be 'metaphysical'? - Ed.] understanding and be amazed as you realize all the implications and possibilities of this gift. Most importantly, this course will change your life at a day-to-day level and radically heighten your relationship with God.
The Seer Course addresses these questions and more:
- How do you know you have this gift?
- How do you know you’re not just making it up?
- Does seeing include more than just spiritual sight?
- How do you operate as a seer?
- What are orbs, lights, and strange things you think you see?
- What is the seer’s role in relationship with God and others?
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What is indisputable in the age in which we live is that 'new' things are emerging at an unprecedented rate and the need for spiritual discernment is critical in our time. The word of God teaches us that there is nothing new under the sun. But these things can reappear clad in a new (different) set of clothes, so the need for continual vigilance is paramount. And the most subtle forms of deception is counterfeit of the real thing. The danger is even greater when there is (some) truth mixed in with error.
But in these issues, the days of fence-sitting and abstract philosophising are over. Opportunity or threat? It's make your mind up time. |
Watchman, 28/08/2009
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Mandy (Guest) |
11/03/2010 02:26 |
In America I have not found training like this. No prophets to be found to study under. I realize the gift. But I have no idea how to use it. And it isnt a really good idea to go to your local church and say to the pastor "hey, I see visions and I have dreams that come true". I would be introduced to a nice white jacket and a padded room. Depending on the person in charge of the training..it is a wonderful idea, the fact anyone can take the course is not.
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W Benn (Guest) |
11/03/2010 16:44 |
Judging by the contents on the tin this course is absolute tosh and I am rather surprised at the gentle reaction from the posters on site. It is not true to say that Christian witness is being thwarted by government; that is not at all the case in America and also not the case here in terms of the things that matter e.g. political power that changes legislation and gives Christianity some protection against so called 'abusive' criticism of its dogma - not to mention the favour of undemocratic representation.
I am perturbed concerning the term 'immoral relationship'. It would clear things up if such relationships were defined and then disected for immorality.
My fellow posters will no doubt enjoy dealing with my comments, especially my second paragraph [I anticipate Christian morality - need to be married etc] but that is not the only response and view in town.
It was suggested as far back as the 1970s that a few decades later we would have lots of weird and exotic belief systems [Future Shock - Alvin Toffler] and this looks a bit like it.
In my view the likes of Andrea Mac are far too intelligent to accept this tosh; she will see through it despite her considerable flexibility and open mind.
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John Parker (Guest) |
12/03/2010 15:41 |
With all due respect W. Benn, there are some things relating to the Christian faith which those outside of the faith just cannot hope to understand. And the prophecy is one of them.
That is not to say that everything which carries the name of 'prophecy' is kosher, but neither is to dismiss all prophecy as tosh.
The word of God is jammed with prophecy - including the prophecy that Jesus is coming back again, to the sheer delight of some and to the utter anguish of others.
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Andrea Mac |
12/03/2010 16:54 |
Just to clarify my position on prophecy:
I tend to take my views from what I have read in the Bible and I have no doubt at all that there are those through whom God speaks, even today. However, I believe they are few and far between, as they were back then, and were most often very reluctant to be used by God in this way.
Prophets were never self-appointed or invited - they were directly moved by God to state exclusively what He wanted them to say and it usually brought great anguish and persecution to the prophet.
I just feel that a 'course' to 'learn' prophecy is a recipe for disaster and at best is pandering to those who have an inflated sense of their own abilities and, at worst, is spiritually dangerous.
If your purpose is to be a prophet, you will know about it and God Himself will equip you with the abilities required, which none of us have otherwise.
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Pastor Luther (Guest) |
01/12/2011 00:11 |
It has been confirmed over and over that I am a Seer as I have Godly dreams that give insight and revelation to the Body of Christ and has many references to current biblical passages. The dreams are usually symbolic in nature but have also been literal meanings at times as well. People with this gift and those who listen to people that claim to be prophets or seers also should be aware that any gifting is given by The Lord Jesus and is only activated by His prompting (holy Spirit) and never the actual person because this allows the person to tap into powers that are not of the Lord and anything that is not the Lord is from the powers of the realm of Satan. Even white magic is from Satan, just packaged to deceive people into thinking that it is not. The bible says that even Satan himself can come as an angel of light! *** WARNING ***So a person that has a prophetic gifting must allow the Lord to activate (His Will and leading) the gifting or else you can become a psychic by tapping into the powers of darkness through your own actions (will)!!
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cc (Guest) |
19/11/2014 02:04 |
I have personally witnessed two church congregations destroyed by an obsession with the "seer gift". In my experience caution, discernment and wisdom needs to be exercised where this "gift" is concerned. In both churches the "seers" were the ones that people went to for healing prayer, breaking of strongholds etc. What I have witnessed is that none of this actually led people into intimacy with God. I earnestly believe that intimacy and relationship with God is where God is calling each and everyone of us, and it is through this that we overcome our problems and obstacles. In both churches the congregation became obsessed with this gift and it became a substitute for intimacy with God. People would go to a seer for a "quick fix" and a taste of the spiritual world, rather than turning to their personal relationship with Christ. I think that whenever a spiritual gift of any kind becomes the focus in the church, it inevitably becomes a distraction that leads people away from their personal relationship with God. Churches become steered by these gifts and eventual go off the rails completely. I do think that some people can see things in the spiritual realm, but caution needs to be exercised here. It is a fine line between this and fortune telling. I do believe that sometimes God allows us to see things in the spiritual realm, but we must keep our eyes focussed on relationship with him and NOT on developing this "gift". Hebrews 12:2 "Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith." When this gift is focussed on it becomes narcissistic and ego driven not God driven. It can railroad an entire congregation. If you think you are a seer, then pray quietly to the Lord about what you see. Sometimes God lets us see images as a focus for prayer. Be careful of trying to make this gift out to be more powerful than it is and be cautioned when it comes down to a seer being the source of all truth. These are images we can use for prayer, NOT an absolute truth. I have seen seers become like an oracle in a church, who people turn to for spiritual insight every time they hit a struggle. This is extremely dangerous ground and I believe a misuse of this gift. Intimacy with God and personal relationship with him can sometimes be confronting and in many ways we turn away from that and turn to spiritual gifts, and other manifestations of the holy spirit for a quick spiritual high. This "gift" is of no more importance than any other spiritual gift and what these seers see should only be viewed as a guide for prayer, and definitely not as a supernatural divine Truth, because images can be misleading, misinterpreted and are not God. I have witnessed Christians losing their faith completely because of the false "truths" from seers. I have seen faith lost due to a congregation being split when the seeing gift is what is being worshipped in a church. Be discerning, wise and watchful. 1Peter 5 8 "Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings."
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(Guest) |
19/11/2014 23:17 |
Where has my comment gone? Talk about 'editorial bias'! Oh well...
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John Miller |
21/11/2014 08:21 |
The title of "seer" does not occur in the New Testament. Prior to the public ministry of Christ who in His life here was the sole authority for the utterance of prophecy after John the Baptist's death, God communicated his will in many ways according to Hebrews 1:1. The Apostle Paul and others in the early church set out "the whole counsel of God".
In our day our point of reference to God's will is the Bible, the Holy Scriptures of truth, inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. We will discover there all the guidance regarding the will of God. The church has been given gifts and these are manifested in ways that are appropriate to its needs and conditions in the world around.
The term prophecy is misunderstood by many. It does not principally refer to an ability to see or pronounce on future events although it may include such a gift. It primarily refers to the gift or ability to bring the will of God in any particular situation to bear on the people of God. This must be done based on the authority of the word of God clearly detailed in His inspired, inerrant word.
Many have been deceived by those who claim to be "seers" but God's word in the New Testament scriptures gives them no credence. Courses to promote this false teaching are motivated by either the pride of man or the love of money or both. They have no basis in scripture.
Instruction in the application and interpretation of the word of God comes by sound preaching, teaching and the searching of scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
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(Guest) |
21/11/2014 13:00 |
God did indeed speak "unto the fathers by the prophets". Hebrews 1.1.
However, I am at a loss as to what to call John who penned the Revelation, but a "seer"!
You are right that there is much deception about, no doubt in ALL church denominations, most notably those who hold to apostolic succession and the continuance of the charismatic gifts to the present day...
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John Miller |
21/11/2014 20:53 |
Why not just call John an APOSTLE. This is the title given to him in scripture. Does the Holy Spirit call him a "seer"?
Read the first chapter of Revelation and you will discover how John describes himself.
It would be a very brave man today who put himself alongside the Apostle John in the history of Christianity.
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