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The question is not "EU in or out?".

Even mature Christians are arguing the case on entirely the wrong grounds.

"If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned.

And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted,
and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it."
Jer: 18:7-10

Brexit mayThe division in the nation over Brexit is as profound as it is manifest;  no less in the Christian church. This is a tragedy: but not because of the upset. Rather it illustrates that Christians – even ‘mature’ Christians – are using the entirely wrong criteria when coming to a view.

Almost everywhere I hear pros and cons being argued on socio-political or economic grounds: this dynamic is exactly the same as that found in the secular world. It is very sad.

However amongst the more discerning I see and hear things being assessed from an entirely different (read ‘spiritual’) perspective.

 The EU is a modern-day tyrannical and totalitarian despot: it is – at its heart – a profoundly anti-God system. So the real question is not whether we should stay in Europe or leave, but rather whether it is God’s purpose – in His mercy – to deliver us from the Babel-like system; or, alternatively use the EU to bring judgement upon us; the judgement which we are truly most deserving.
It has ever been the way of God to use one nation (or nations) to bring judgement upon another.

Anyone who has the most rudimentary knowledge of Scripture will know God said of the Assyrians that He would use them as “a rod of my anger, in whose hand is the club of my wrath” (Isa. 10:5): the Babylonians in like manner (Jer 32:29).
Indeed it has ever been the way of God to use one nation (or nations) to bring judgement upon another.
However it is also the case that God’s uses ‘judgement’ to bring about His mercy. Irrespective of the final outcome of the utter mess which is Brexit, it is most likely that the UK will experience – in  the short term at least – massive turmoil. But it may indeed be that massive turmoil is needed in order to bring us – literally and metaphorically – to our knees. And in our despair that we might cry out to God.

LORD, I have heard of your fame; I stand in awe of your deeds,
O LORD. Renew them in our day, in our time make them known; in wrath remember mercy.
Habakkuk 3:2
Elspeth Masson (Guest) 14/03/2019 17:06
Thank you for this, Colin. I (and - I believe - our Lydia group) would agree with every word you have written. Why ever are mature Christians parroting economic issues that are debated endlessly in the news? We are SO well aware that we deserve judgement but are praying SO hard for mercy!!
Brian Ross (Guest) 14/03/2019 18:37
As I now live in France, I am frequently asked, by both "ex-pats" and French friends, about my views on "Brexit". I am happy to inform them, first of all, that I voted Leave in the referendum. I then point out that I believe in the sovereignty of Almighty God, and that my personal prayer is that His will be done. Whether, or not, it is in line with my desire is irrelevant.

I, also, am reading through the book of the prophet Jeremiah in my personal devotions, and seeing its further application to the modern State of Israel! I have been sharing this on a number of predominantly Jewish sites!
Colin Ford (Guest) 14/03/2019 21:31
Thank you for your e-mail earlier today; I agree; this whole Brexit scenario is an utter shambles. Clearly it would have been better if the UK never joined the EU in the first place! but then this is the unseen hand of God at work fulfilling His purposes.

Those eerie words of the Eagles that I used to listen to in my unregenerate days come to mind here;

"You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."

So it will be! The "mother of all parliaments" based in London, England, will NEVER leave, and as a consequence, I believe there will be a break-up of the UK. The Highlands and Islands were never part of the Roman Empire at the time of the Lord's First Advent, and they won't be at His Second.

Sir Robert Anderson (1841-1918 & ex head of CID) said "The full and final development of democracy will be despotism." And we see this happening before our very eyes. Democracy is DEAD! Antichrist is coming. God's theocratic kingdom will prevail.

God's will be done whether we pray for it or not. Corporately the people of the British Isles most certainly will NOT turn back to the Lord. However out of this nation, (as also the rest of the nations on God's earth) the Lord is"taking out a people for His Name" Acts 15:14.
Malcolm Graham (Guest) 17/03/2019 19:23
Hi, Colin

I’ve just moved home so not had time to rely to your article. I agree with you that the economic reasons are a red herring really. Those that voted to leave mainly did so because they wanted to be free from the ever-encroaching bureaucratic control of the EU. If we do leave the EU, then I believe God with use this nation like he has done in the past centuries, to once again stand up and fight the evil that has risen in Europe.

The Spirit has put it in my mind that the UK could become a sanctuary for persecuted Christians. But, as you say, it could go the other way and we could have our rights and assets slowly stripped away from us as punishment. If we become too weakened to stop those controlling the EU, then it could bring the return of our God back that much quicker.

Either way I am not really bothered, as I always say to my God, “Let thy will be done”.

Steve Baker MP for Wycombe (Guest) 04/04/2019 09:06
Statement from Steve Baker MP for Wycombe.

The following is a copy of statement sent to the Editor of Christians Together.

“On Thursday evening, I decided to support the Prime Minister’s Brexit deal. By the grace of God, I changed my mind with the help of friends.

Now I see how my noble and brave colleague Richard Drax feels about backing this awful deal. He said in a television interview, “I personally feel utterly ashamed of myself for betraying everything I believed in, that this deal was a rotten deal.”

I could not be more proud of my Parliamentary colleague, both for the way he was willing to put his name to a proposition for the sake of the stability of the government and for the astonishing courage he has shown in revealing how he feels about it afterwards.

A gun was put to all our heads. Members of Parliament have been deliberately and systematically bullied by the British state towards a deal which is widely understood to be a betrayal of the fundamental principle of the referendum: a deal which converts a clear instruction to take back control into a surrender of our capacity for self-government with no voice, no vote and no escape.

That this would be done was announced in advance, at least twice. I recall reading in the press a Number 10 briefing that we would vote as many times as necessary to get the deal through, setting up a merciless battle of attrition. And Olly Robbins’ Brussels bar comments are well known: he was clear we would be made to believe our choice would be between the deal or a long extension.

He also confirmed what we knew: that the backstop is considered a bridge to the future relationship, not an insurance policy. Those of us who want an independent trade and regulatory policy for a free UK cannot accept a deal based on a customs union with a high degree of mandatory regulatory alignment. It would amount to a reversal of the referendum result, risking a Corn Laws-scale split in the Conservatives.

On top of the indefinite threat to the union, that’s why some of us could not swallow this shocking withdrawal agreement. And using the contemptuous phrase that the choice should “focus MPs’ minds” merely adds to the outrage. Our minds are now and ever focussed on the national interest of the UK.

And yet the situation we face this week is worse still. The Prime Minister now threatens a general election if we will not surrender at a fourth attempt. Yet it is a deal which every member of the public who approached me on Friday knew was a stinking repudiation of their vote. In principle and with practical foresight, it cannot be allowed to go through at any cost.

So the plan reveals two things about those who would be our masters. They are so confident of MPs' cowardice that they believe we will capitulate in our opinion of the national interest, not stand firm. And they are willing - as the Prime Minister’s horrible speech showed - to turn people on one another to get what they want: they presumably now anticipate that MPs facing an election will savage “recalcitrant” MPs into submission.

They can think again: I will revisit once more the question of whether I can retain the Whip before I submit to a life of regret and shame after failing in a struggle for the rights of a free people in which others have literally fought and died.

Events today are no longer about Europe or the European Union. By failing to accept a lawful democratic instruction, by constructing an exit deal which is a prison in which to await our defeated return to “The Project”, officialdom has made this a question of who governs and by what authority. It is now of little consequence whether you voted Leave or Remain, Conservative or Labour, Liberal Democrat or Green. Does your vote count?

The spite, pride, mendacity and pitiless commitment to trampling democracy with which we are governed today leads me to describe the situation without hesitation as wrong: deeply, profoundly, intolerably wrong. The entire nation, and especially Members of Parliament, have a duty to defeat this constitutionally in the division lobbies and at the ballot box with an unyielding resolve, a restrained wrath and a ruthless commitment to the principles of a free and open society.

I hope everyone will stand with us so that from this descent, our country and our institutions can arise renewed, without fear of falling into the same fate for generations."

Steve Baker
Conservative MP for Wycombe
Dale (Guest) 04/04/2019 19:39
I wondered whether Steve Baker wrote this after last night's Cooper bill passed through the Commons with the slenderest of margins, and while May's deal is in the process of being watered down even further by involvement with opposition parties. Everyone agrees the Brexit process is a complete shambles. It is also apparent that this whole matter has been taken out of the hands of the ordinary voting people and has now been taken over by the parliamentary liberal elite.
As Bible-believing Christians we can be absolutely sure that as a result of a study of God's Word, especially His dealings with the people in the Old Testament, almighty God is completely sovereign over all the nations. So whatever our political persuasions, God is in control and whatever happens to our nation in the future is entirely in God's hands. Because of the sinfulness of our society which has turned its back on God, we are very likely to see God's wrath being metered out upon this nation, which in centuries past was a bulwark of the Christian faith. God's glorious purposes will be accomplished! To use a common cliché – as Christians we need to be 'salt and light' in this evil world.

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