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The Plain Man's Guide to a Complicated War

The mix of good guys and bad guys and how we define them is key to understanding the conflict in Syria and the IS Jihad in the area.

Just in case you don't know what's happening in the middle east....
Syrian ConflictPresident Assad (who is bad) is a nasty guy who got so nasty his people rebelled and the Rebels (who are good) started winning (Hurrah!).
But then some of the rebels turned a bit nasty and are now called Islamic State (who are definitely bad!) and some continued to support democracy (who are still good).
So the Americans (who are good) started bombing Islamic State (who are bad) and giving arms to the Syrian Rebels (who are good) so they could fight Assad (who is still bad) which was good.
By the way, there is a breakaway state in the north run by the Kurds who want to fight IS (which is a good thing) but the Turkish authorities think they are bad, so we have to say they are bad whilst secretly thinking they're good and giving them guns to fight IS (which is good) but that is another matter.
Getting back to Syria...

So President Putin (who is bad, cos he invaded Crimea and the Ukraine and killed lots of folks including that nice Russian man in London with polonium poisoned sushi) has decided to back Assad (who is still bad) by attacking IS (who are also bad) which is sort of a good thing?
But Putin (still bad) thinks the Syrian Rebels (who are good) are also bad, and so he bombs them too, much to the annoyance of the Americans (who are good) who are busy backing and arming the rebels (who are also good).
Now Iran (who used to be bad, but now they have agreed not to build any nuclear weapons and bomb Israel are now good) are going to provide ground troops to support Assad (still bad) as are the Russians (bad) who now have ground troops and aircraft in Syria.
So a Coalition of Assad (still bad) Putin (extra bad) and the Iranians (good, but in a bad sort of way) are going to attack IS (who are bad) which is a good thing, but also the Syrian Rebels (who are good) which is bad.
Now the British (obviously good, except that nice Mr Corbyn in the corduroy jacket, who is probably bad) and the Americans (also good) cannot attack Assad (still bad) for fear of upsetting Putin (bad) and Iran (good / bad) and now they have to accept that Assad might not be that bad after all compared to IS (who are super bad).
So Assad (bad) is now probably good, being better than IS (but let’s face it, drinking your own wee is better than IS so no real choice there) and since Putin and Iran are also fighting IS that may now make them Good. America (still Good) will find it hard to arm a group of rebels being attacked by the Russians for fear of upsetting Mr Putin (now good) and that nice mad Ayatollah in Iran (also Good) and so they may be forced to say that the Rebels are now Bad, or at the very least abandon them to their fate. This will lead most of them to flee to Turkey and on to Europe or join IS (still the only constantly bad group).
To Sunni Muslims, an attack by Shia Muslims (Assad and Iran) backed by Russians will be seen as something of a Holy War, and the ranks of IS will now be seen by the Sunnis as the only Jihadis fighting in the Holy War and hence many Muslims will now see IS as Good (Doh!.)
Sunni Muslims will also see the lack of action by Britain and America in support of their Sunni rebel brothers as something of a betrayal (mmm.might have a point.) and hence we will be seen as Bad.
So now we have America (now bad) and Britain (also bad) providing limited support to Sunni Rebels (bad) many of whom are looking to IS (Good / bad) for support against Assad (now good) who, along with Iran (also Good) and Putin (also, now, unbelievably, Good) are attempting to retake the country Assad used to run before all this started?
So, now you fully understand everything, all your questions are answered!!
Source: Anon

Anon, 09/12/2015

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Confused (Guest) 09/02/2016 10:49
I think it easier to do rubik cube than to understand all this!
Robert (Bob) Hill 09/02/2016 16:19

You could ask questions.
KW. (Guest) 11/02/2016 23:21
Well,super Bob,
I believe that God has Put-in charge Vladimir for His elective purposes. Putin is but only a puppet used by God (Putin doesn't know what he is doing-he is absolutely clueless, just like the rest of the world leaders) The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of waters, He turneth it whithersoever he will. Proverbs 21.1.
Though Putin, Obama, Cameron etc. are doing God's will perfectly, (unbeknown to them, that is) yet God WILL hold them to account for their actions; Woe unto the world because of offences! For it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! Matthew 18.7.
The Bible says the first Ezekiel war will not happen until early in the millennium.
Robert (Bob) Hill 12/02/2016 20:36

I have to agree that all the world's leaders are puppets and Father is the puppeteer and His timing, through them, will be as He requires. And I do see Father's favor on Putin, at least for the moment. He may be doing nothing more holding things in check until the required time. I just get very tired of seeing the West slander him when their hands are dirtier than his. But it is all going to blow up violently and hopefully very soon; It is time for some REAL change.

As far as the Ezekiel wars I have no certainty as to when they happen but I could see your point. There is also, I am sure you know, a Gog/Magog conflict at the end of the seventh millennium. I do wonder if they are all the same event.

For your info if you don't know Veritas Superabit Montes means Truth Overcomes Mountains, not Bob is super.

KW (Guest) 15/02/2016 12:33
The Bible teaches very clearly and unequivocally (so I believe!) that there are TWO Gog and Magog wars, one very early in the coming millennium and the other as you say at the very end of it.
The Ezekiel 38-39 war is totally distinct from the one described in Revelation 20. We read in Ezekiel 38.8 that Israel "dwells safely" in her land (securely RV) a people "brought back from the sword." So clearly, then Israel have been at 'peace' dwelling in "the land of unwalled rest...safely...dwelling without walls." (There's walls everywhere now?) Ezekiel 38.11. Ezekiel 39.12 informs us that the house of Israel shall be "seven months...burying of them" (that is Gog and his multitude). Verse 16 tells us "thus shall they cleanse the land."
The "seven months ...burying" and the cleansing of the land is obviously in preparation for the 1000 year reign!?" The "house of Israel" is hardly going to be spending this "seven months" cleansing and burying in the land, if Satan right at the very END (RV; finished, AV; expired) of the 1000 years to do his last and final revolt; which results in the "fire came down from God out of heaven" which "devoured them". Ezekiel 39.9-10 also informs us that the Israelites shall spend SEVEN YEARS burning the weapons of war! It is interesting that they seem to be made of wood, and that the hordes of Gog and Magog are on horseback. This post technological/manufacturing era being brought about by the previous Psalm 83/Armageddon/Valley of Jehoshaphat/great tribulation war? After the millennium runs its course, Satan is loosed "deceive the nations" that is "Gog and Magog" (a general term for the nations) Rev 20.7-8.
Editor 16/02/2016 14:26
Stratfor reports (16 Feb)...

Turkey is pushing for its coalition partners, including the United States, to take part in a joint ground operation in Syria, unnamed Turkish officials said Feb. 16, AFP and Reuters reported. There will not be a unilateral Turkish operation in Syria, one official said, but the fighting in the country will not end without ground troops. The reports come as Turkey entered its fourth day of shelling Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) targets near the Turkish border with Syria. For Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Russian-backed loyalist offensive in Syria brings Turkey's geopolitical imperatives to the fore.
(Guest) 16/02/2016 19:38
I love the introductory comment "Just in case you don't know what's happening in the middle east"! Does anybody? (God apart) LOL.
304 (Guest) 26/02/2016 10:08
Trying to figure out which nations are our friends and enemies these days is not easy! As confused says it easier to do a Rubik cube!
Editor 17/04/2016 17:15
A site member has written:
"For info, the one person who, in my opinion knows what is going on is Riyadh Mohammed, an Iraqi writer and journalist. His articles can be found in The Fiscal Times; Linked In and Twitter."

Ed footnote: For Fiscal Times see -
Editor 15/02/2019 14:24
US withdrawal from Syria

In Syria, meanwhile, the ripples of President Trump’s decision to pull out US troops continue to spread. The fight against so-called Islamic State is in its final stages, with the last remaining IS-dominated village on the verge of capture. Yet this is a deceptive victory, as the end of the self-declared caliphate does not mean that the thousands of IS terrorists who have gone to ground have abandoned their fight or ideology.

It is also unclear what will happen to the north-east Syrian territories abandoned by IS. These are currently controlled by the Kurdish-dominated Syrian Democratic Forces and its political arm. Turkey, however, sees them as allies of Kurdish PKK insurgents. Determined to block an independent region on their border, Turkey has threatened to launch another offensive as it did in neighbouring Afrin. With US troops set to withdraw, the Kurds are scrambling to negotiate protection from Syria and Russia, and cling to their hope of somehow persuading Damascus to grant self-administration. Russia, Syria and Iran, as well as the US, are negotiating with Turkey to find a constructive way forward.

For the moment, the situation is ensnared by far too many stakeholders with conflicting interests, security concerns and political ambitions. Apart from this, there is little talk on how to rebuild after the massive devastation left by nearly eight years of conflict. Nor is there a wider Syria commitment from the West, beyond the myopia of fighting IS. For the next couple of decades, Syria will need our prayers and support to heal and recover from a civil war that has torn apart the country and wider region.

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