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Tron Church quits the Church of Scotland

One of the highest-profile congregations in Scotland has quit the national church over the latter's alleged departure from the authority of God's Word.


first published 17/06/12

UPDATE 08/10/12

Tron congregation writes to Glasgow Presbytery

UPDATE 08/12/12

Court Papers served on Church during prayer meeting

Meanwhile one of the Tron leadership writes:
"Our congregation numbers have been building steadily and I was told that this morning there was only two seats left on he ground floor and the gallery full."

TronLast Monday a very prominent city-centre church in Glasgow commonly known as ‘the Tron’, took a step into the unknown when on June 11th 2012, the congregation quit the Church of Scotland.

The Rev. Dr. William Philip, minister of the 500-strong congregation of St George’s Tron Church located in the bustling shopping precinct of Buchanan Street has affirmed that this was and is no rash move. Concerning this development he has written: “Our decision to separate from the Church of Scotland is the culmination of careful thought, sincere discussion and prayer for over 12 months.”

The congregation are leaving a denomination which the former believes is separating itself from the authority of God’s word. Writing on the Tron’s website the clergyman continues:

“Last year, despite having had the clear opportunity, the General Assembly failed to reverse the stance taken in 2009 approving the appointment of ordained ministers in same-sex relationships. Instead, it clearly and deliberately chose to set an opposite trajectory towards normalising such relationships. In doing so the highest court of the Kirk has marginalised the Bible, the written Word of God. We believe the Church of Scotland is choosing to walk away from the biblical gospel, and to walk apart from the faith of the worldwide Christian Church.”

If the leadership and congregation at the Tron needed any additional reason(s) to quit the Church of Scotland, then the decision by the denomination’s General Assembly last month to allow other faith groups to hold services in Kirk buildings has provided a further prompt. (The question was brought to the floor of the most recent Assembly largely because of the actions of Rev. Scott Rennie – the Aberdeen minister at the heart of the gay clergy issue – who has given permission to Hindu groups to use the Queen’s Cross church premises for worship.)

Although media headlines have stated that the Tron’s departure represents the first local church to leave the denomination, in a de facto sense the (bulk of the) congregation of High Hilton church in Aberdeen quit the Kirk last October. On that occasion however those involved moved out of the church building.

In the case of the Tron church, the congregation most recently raised millions of pounds to cover a major refurbishment. One church member who was at the heart of the very substantial upgrade to the building has commented:

“Regardless of the risks and the fact that many members provided substantial sacrificial offerings for the development of the building as a gospel station in the city centre, the membership have put biblical priorities in first place ahead of buildings.”

In the event, the overall total expenditure was close to £3M - most of which was paid for by the membership.

Any significant Church of Scotland news would normally result in a media statement from the Kirk’s HQ, however, in this case, the denomination would seem to be downplaying the situation. It has merely, and on request, provided a ‘comment’ which states:

We can confirm that we have been informed by the Minister and Session Clerk of Glasgow St George’s Tron that they and a number of members wish to leave the Church of Scotland because of the decisions taken by the 2011 General Assembly.’
Included is a response from a Church of Scotland spokesperson:

“The Presbytery of Glasgow and the Church of Scotland General Trustees are saddened at the decision of the Minister and members of Glasgow St George’s Tron to leave the Church of Scotland. Discussions will take place with representatives of the Tron over the coming weeks to clarify the situation and determine the best way of preserving a Church of Scotland ministry presence in Glasgow city centre. No decisions have been taken about the on-going use of the building, or the outstanding financial obligations to the Church of Scotland and the General Trustees.”

The Kirk’s communiqué adds:

• The Congregation of the St George’s Tron Church have outstanding arrears on their contributions to Ministries and Mission in the Church of Scotland.
• There is also an outstanding loan made by the General Trustees to the congregation in 2007 to support a remodelling of the building.
• Glasgow Presbytery has a special commission looking at the plan for ministry in Glasgow city centre. It is due to report later this year.
• The St George’s Tron building is owned by the Church of Scotland General Trustees.
• No other congregations have indicated any intention to leave the Church of Scotland, although we are aware of a number of individuals who are unhappy with the direction they perceive the Church to be taking. Each set of circumstances is different.
• The Church of Scotland has set up a Theological Commission to examine whether persons in a civil partnership are eligible for admission for training, ordination and induction as ministers of Word and Sacrament or deacons, among other issues, and a further report will be presented to the 2013 General Assembly. It is disappointing that any Minister or members feel the need to leave the Church before the Commission reports. We stress that no final decisions have been taken, and the Church is currently holding more dialogue on this issue.

The finances of each parish church are tied to the Kirk's central funds but the present occupiers of the 17th-century site are likely to claim their investment of time and money earns a moral entitlement to ownership. Given the congregation’s desire to remain in the building it is difficult to see how the issue will be resolved without recourse to legal channels.

1. The Tron is one the best-known evangelical Church of Scotland congregations – with an impressive list of Bible-preaching luminaries serving as former ministers including Rev. Thomas Chalmers from 1815 -1819. Additionally the location at the heart of the main shopping centre in Scotland’s largest city gives the building a very prominent profile.

2. Since the General Assemblies of May 2009 and 2010 considerable upset has been experienced across the denomination over the Church of Scotland’s persistent failure to unequivocably state its position on what the Bible allows (and disallows) regarding human sexual relationships. In the wake of last year’s Assembly a meeting was held in the Tron which saw hundreds of ministers and elders from across Scotland gather to express their grave concerns. A Christians Together report was prepared following that meeting.

Subsequently a further assessment of the situation within Scotland’s national church was written up under the title ‘Harvest is past; the summer has ended’. Since that time some ministers and many members have quit the denomination. Many who remain are withholding their giving to central church funds and this action is exacerbating the serious financial situation in which the denomination finds itself.

The departure of the Tron’s minister, elders and congregation with the high-level of attendant risk regarding their recent investments in the premises, is indicative of the extent to which they place little faith in the denomination reversing its acceptance of gay clergy.
Another high-profile congregation which has also recently made a high level of investment in its building is amongst other local churches considering their future within the denomination. Reverend Dominic Smart said elders at Gilcomston South Church in Aberdeen disagreed with the General Assembly's stance, feeling it had "marginalised" the Bible.

3. Concerning the Tron congregation's future the statement on its website affirms:

“We cannot depart from the historic foundations of our Church, and will not separate from communion with orthodox Christian believers globally. Consequently, we intend to realign with a church grouping which remains clearly and publicly committed to orthodox Christianity.

“Our ongoing work remains our priority. We are a diverse, growing Christian family made up of people from all walks of life, of all ages, from many nations. We are passionate about the life of our church in Glasgow City Centre, serving the city seven days a week. Our earnest desire is that we can continue our wide-ranging service to the people of Glasgow uninterrupted. To this end, although we are no longer part of the Church of Scotland, the leaders of our congregation remain in positive and constructive engagement with the denomination. Our goal is to ensure that all issues around this separation are dealt with reasonably and peaceably, and for the honour of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

4. For a short history of the Church of Scotland and derivative presbyterian denominations from 1560 to the present day, see article 'Presbyterianism - Scottish style'.

Christians Together, 17/06/2012

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william (Guest) 25/06/2012 18:42
John, where does "scripture command" that part of the Church of Jesus Christ separate from another part of the Church of Jesus Christ?
The concept would have been unthinkable for Paul as he wrote to the Churches in Galatia- where many were turning to another gospel, or to the Churches in Corinth, where immorality existed of a very extreme sort.
Indeed "the whole of New Testament revelation" would so argue, rather than engage in secessions.
Another issue is the total lack of unanimity among those who would be described as evangeicals within the Kirk; it is this schism among brothers and sisters in Christ which is contrary to all of the teaching of the Head of His Church in New Testament revelation.
Dave (Guest) 25/06/2012 20:13
william, God gives us sufficient guidelines and expects us to work out the details ourselves as we are led and feb by His Spirit.
Dave (Guest) 25/06/2012 20:15
P.S. william, the Reformation was/is a reality, where was/is the scriptural justifiction for it?
Tom Watson (Guest) 25/06/2012 20:21
William: It's 'denominations' that's wrong. One believer might feel called to stay (in the denomination); another believer might feel to leave. The denomination is not the body of Christ.

Unanimity is a not the be all and end all (Paul and Barnabus parted company). It is for each (in any circumstance) to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit - as Luther did.
william (Guest) 25/06/2012 20:47
I notice unanimity as far as individual action is concerned, but no response to how Paul did things as we find in New Testament revelation.
This is precisely the point I was raising about the general evangelical perspective on Church doctrine.
" The denomination is not the body of Christ" Indeed, but to be a memeber of the Church of Jesus Christ is not an abstract truth either - there is a local manifestation which we have been joined to, and which functions as the Body of Christ in the community.
As far as the Reformation was concerned that was more about excommunication than secession, surely.
Engagement in discussion within the Church is the only way sanctioned by scripture - and that applies to us individually as well, as we engage in these matters. Can we work together, led by the Spirit, submissive to the Word, until we arrive at the mind of the Spirit in this matter?
Dave (Guest) 25/06/2012 20:51
william, the Reformation went way beyond Martin Luther etc. Why do you think that we have so many Protestant denominations. Take Baptist for example, why do you think they came about?
william (Guest) 25/06/2012 21:14
Dave, Are you trying to arrive at the mind of Christ on this issue, or are you just in critical mood??
What answers are you looking for?
How do you propose using any answers you might get?
Is this going to bring us to a biblical doctrine of the Church?
Or do you just prefer to nurse your own conclusions?
Dave (Guest) 25/06/2012 21:22
william, if you were to reread my posts as they are intended, you would discover that I am seeking to do the following;

1. Stimulate thought and discussion.

2. To convey a different pov to the one that you are blindly pushing.

3. To show how church history is/has been repeated when it comes to such matters.

4. And to convey the reality of God's sovereignty and human responsibility working together in harmony.

I trust that this clears up any misunderstandings. ;)
william (Guest) 25/06/2012 21:35
Dave, I'm happy with 1 and 4.
For 2 - 'blindly' is a judgement which is not helpful if we're trying to converge through our discussions.
3 - Surely we don't just want to perpetuate such a trajectory, which is undoubtedly true.
Dave, if we are part of the hurch of Jesus Christ, although possibly quite different manifestations of it in this fallen world, it is incumbent upon us to wrestle with such things, under the Word, and led by His Spirit - that the world may see and believe in this Jesus Christ, the head of the Church.
Dave (Guest) 26/06/2012 07:20
OK, I withdraw number 2. Yes we are part of the same body of Christ, but who we are and why we see things differently proves why we see the situation that the thread is about. Which IMO is within God's permissible will, hence the Reformation.
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