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Tron Church quits the Church of Scotland

One of the highest-profile congregations in Scotland has quit the national church over the latter's alleged departure from the authority of God's Word.


first published 17/06/12

UPDATE 08/10/12

Tron congregation writes to Glasgow Presbytery

UPDATE 08/12/12

Court Papers served on Church during prayer meeting

Meanwhile one of the Tron leadership writes:
"Our congregation numbers have been building steadily and I was told that this morning there was only two seats left on he ground floor and the gallery full."

TronLast Monday a very prominent city-centre church in Glasgow commonly known as ‘the Tron’, took a step into the unknown when on June 11th 2012, the congregation quit the Church of Scotland.

The Rev. Dr. William Philip, minister of the 500-strong congregation of St George’s Tron Church located in the bustling shopping precinct of Buchanan Street has affirmed that this was and is no rash move. Concerning this development he has written: “Our decision to separate from the Church of Scotland is the culmination of careful thought, sincere discussion and prayer for over 12 months.”

The congregation are leaving a denomination which the former believes is separating itself from the authority of God’s word. Writing on the Tron’s website the clergyman continues:

“Last year, despite having had the clear opportunity, the General Assembly failed to reverse the stance taken in 2009 approving the appointment of ordained ministers in same-sex relationships. Instead, it clearly and deliberately chose to set an opposite trajectory towards normalising such relationships. In doing so the highest court of the Kirk has marginalised the Bible, the written Word of God. We believe the Church of Scotland is choosing to walk away from the biblical gospel, and to walk apart from the faith of the worldwide Christian Church.”

If the leadership and congregation at the Tron needed any additional reason(s) to quit the Church of Scotland, then the decision by the denomination’s General Assembly last month to allow other faith groups to hold services in Kirk buildings has provided a further prompt. (The question was brought to the floor of the most recent Assembly largely because of the actions of Rev. Scott Rennie – the Aberdeen minister at the heart of the gay clergy issue – who has given permission to Hindu groups to use the Queen’s Cross church premises for worship.)

Although media headlines have stated that the Tron’s departure represents the first local church to leave the denomination, in a de facto sense the (bulk of the) congregation of High Hilton church in Aberdeen quit the Kirk last October. On that occasion however those involved moved out of the church building.

In the case of the Tron church, the congregation most recently raised millions of pounds to cover a major refurbishment. One church member who was at the heart of the very substantial upgrade to the building has commented:

“Regardless of the risks and the fact that many members provided substantial sacrificial offerings for the development of the building as a gospel station in the city centre, the membership have put biblical priorities in first place ahead of buildings.”

In the event, the overall total expenditure was close to £3M - most of which was paid for by the membership.

Any significant Church of Scotland news would normally result in a media statement from the Kirk’s HQ, however, in this case, the denomination would seem to be downplaying the situation. It has merely, and on request, provided a ‘comment’ which states:

We can confirm that we have been informed by the Minister and Session Clerk of Glasgow St George’s Tron that they and a number of members wish to leave the Church of Scotland because of the decisions taken by the 2011 General Assembly.’
Included is a response from a Church of Scotland spokesperson:

“The Presbytery of Glasgow and the Church of Scotland General Trustees are saddened at the decision of the Minister and members of Glasgow St George’s Tron to leave the Church of Scotland. Discussions will take place with representatives of the Tron over the coming weeks to clarify the situation and determine the best way of preserving a Church of Scotland ministry presence in Glasgow city centre. No decisions have been taken about the on-going use of the building, or the outstanding financial obligations to the Church of Scotland and the General Trustees.”

The Kirk’s communiqué adds:

• The Congregation of the St George’s Tron Church have outstanding arrears on their contributions to Ministries and Mission in the Church of Scotland.
• There is also an outstanding loan made by the General Trustees to the congregation in 2007 to support a remodelling of the building.
• Glasgow Presbytery has a special commission looking at the plan for ministry in Glasgow city centre. It is due to report later this year.
• The St George’s Tron building is owned by the Church of Scotland General Trustees.
• No other congregations have indicated any intention to leave the Church of Scotland, although we are aware of a number of individuals who are unhappy with the direction they perceive the Church to be taking. Each set of circumstances is different.
• The Church of Scotland has set up a Theological Commission to examine whether persons in a civil partnership are eligible for admission for training, ordination and induction as ministers of Word and Sacrament or deacons, among other issues, and a further report will be presented to the 2013 General Assembly. It is disappointing that any Minister or members feel the need to leave the Church before the Commission reports. We stress that no final decisions have been taken, and the Church is currently holding more dialogue on this issue.

The finances of each parish church are tied to the Kirk's central funds but the present occupiers of the 17th-century site are likely to claim their investment of time and money earns a moral entitlement to ownership. Given the congregation’s desire to remain in the building it is difficult to see how the issue will be resolved without recourse to legal channels.

1. The Tron is one the best-known evangelical Church of Scotland congregations – with an impressive list of Bible-preaching luminaries serving as former ministers including Rev. Thomas Chalmers from 1815 -1819. Additionally the location at the heart of the main shopping centre in Scotland’s largest city gives the building a very prominent profile.

2. Since the General Assemblies of May 2009 and 2010 considerable upset has been experienced across the denomination over the Church of Scotland’s persistent failure to unequivocably state its position on what the Bible allows (and disallows) regarding human sexual relationships. In the wake of last year’s Assembly a meeting was held in the Tron which saw hundreds of ministers and elders from across Scotland gather to express their grave concerns. A Christians Together report was prepared following that meeting.

Subsequently a further assessment of the situation within Scotland’s national church was written up under the title ‘Harvest is past; the summer has ended’. Since that time some ministers and many members have quit the denomination. Many who remain are withholding their giving to central church funds and this action is exacerbating the serious financial situation in which the denomination finds itself.

The departure of the Tron’s minister, elders and congregation with the high-level of attendant risk regarding their recent investments in the premises, is indicative of the extent to which they place little faith in the denomination reversing its acceptance of gay clergy.
Another high-profile congregation which has also recently made a high level of investment in its building is amongst other local churches considering their future within the denomination. Reverend Dominic Smart said elders at Gilcomston South Church in Aberdeen disagreed with the General Assembly's stance, feeling it had "marginalised" the Bible.

3. Concerning the Tron congregation's future the statement on its website affirms:

“We cannot depart from the historic foundations of our Church, and will not separate from communion with orthodox Christian believers globally. Consequently, we intend to realign with a church grouping which remains clearly and publicly committed to orthodox Christianity.

“Our ongoing work remains our priority. We are a diverse, growing Christian family made up of people from all walks of life, of all ages, from many nations. We are passionate about the life of our church in Glasgow City Centre, serving the city seven days a week. Our earnest desire is that we can continue our wide-ranging service to the people of Glasgow uninterrupted. To this end, although we are no longer part of the Church of Scotland, the leaders of our congregation remain in positive and constructive engagement with the denomination. Our goal is to ensure that all issues around this separation are dealt with reasonably and peaceably, and for the honour of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

4. For a short history of the Church of Scotland and derivative presbyterian denominations from 1560 to the present day, see article 'Presbyterianism - Scottish style'.

Christians Together, 17/06/2012

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Alasdair (Guest) 28/01/2013 16:33
Well, John, I certainly don't think his main opposition will be from the liberals at all. Sadly, it's a bit like politics. The liberals (and this description is so wide as to be meaningless, but it is a convenient shorthand) could be regarded as the "opposition" (if you like) but any politician will tell you that his/her real enemies are not the "opposition" but are to be found in his/her own party. I suspect that Alastair Duncan's main opposition will be from people who consider themselves to be Bible believing Christians and rejoice in their own impecable doctrinal soundness. This tired and unedifying debate (if it can be called such) has little now to do with Scripture or with doctrine. It's much more a matter of human pride, who wins and who loses. For those who have spent the past few months pouring out their bile on the C of S, it would be intolerable for St George's Tron now to rise from the ashes. But maybe it will. Personally, that is my hope and prayer.
John Miller 28/01/2013 18:48
Alasdair if you think that "this tired and inedifying debate has little to do with scripture or (biblical) doctrine I'm afraid that you and I are very far apart in our judgement of the situation that existed in the C of S's dispute with Wm. Philip and his flock in particular and the denomination's stance on the issue of homosexuality in its membershipa and ordination in general.

I agree that human pride in its independance from God is the issue, but the teaching of the Holy Scriptures, God's inerrant and infallible word, have created a division between good and evil.

Just as in the days of Moses we have a clear choice between good and evil, life and death (Deut 30:15-20). We either choose the good, which results in the enjoyment of spiritual life according to God and all the rich blessings that it affords, or we choose the evil which leads to spiritual starvation and a moribund state of separation from the enjoyment of what the Holy Spirit offers us for our nourishment, feeding on the Bread of Heaven.
charis (Guest) 29/01/2013 19:09
Alasdair (Guest) 30/01/2013 08:23
John - just to clarify, you missed out the crucial word "now" from what I said: "This tired and unedifying debate (if it can be called such) has little now to do with Scripture or with doctrine." I stand by that statement but the "now" is crucial. The whole debacle has taken on a life of its own and has moved miles away from what it was originally all about. It is now mostly to do with human pride, being right and being vindicated. To be fair, this applies to all sides.

For those correspondents who, over the past few months, have heaped fire and brimstone on the C of S, it would be unthinkable that the Lord might actually bless the new ministry in St George's Tron without their express permission! Have a nice day.
Editor 30/01/2013 10:58
John M is right.
The Lord will bless any faithful teaching and preaching of His Word; irrespective of the surrounding circumstances. And we will all have to wait and see if this (fidelity to His Word) is what transpires in the C of S Tron.
Alasdair also is right in pointing out the self-justification that is going on; from and on all sides.

However,the fact remains that every Bible-faithful preacher, believer and congregation within the Church of Scotland must surely have to accept that they 'sit' within a denomination which is in outright rebellion regarding God's righteousness; and one which is a disgrace to the faith it purports to propagate.

As a 'national' church it is difficult to imagine any greater way in which it could fail the nation.

Away beyond the vital prayers for any one congregation, we need to pray for those believers still within the denomination - that their faith will be protected within a spiritually toxic environment.
John Miller 30/01/2013 14:16
Ultimately there is no protection if a believer chooses to remain within a "spiritually toxic environment". The word of God is clear. We are commanded to withdraw from iniquity.

In Paul's second letter to Timothy, ch.2:19-21, he likens the profession of Christianity to a large house in ehich there are vessels for honour and vessels for dishonour. The divine requirement is to cleanse oneself from what is dishonouring to Christ therefore by separation.

We cannot remain in a "toxic" or poisonous environment without being harmed or even killed spiritually and rendered incapable of worship or witness. The Apostle underlines this in 2.Cor.6:17, quoting from Isaiah 52:11, and also in 1 Cor.10:21. In these verses the clear issue is the challenge of with wom we can be associated in Christian fellowship.

I believe that every effort must be made to convince those who refuse the clear teaching of scripture, of their error. If such efforts are rejected then separation must take place.

The congregation of the Tron Church, following what I would perceive to be godly counsel and Bible based leadership felt that they had arrived at that point and took the difficult decision. They have now moved on and are enjoying God's blessing and the Holy Spirit's guiding in their new circumstances.

I do not hear of any self justification from them, but rather a simple desire to move on in obedience to God in His word and faithfulness to Christ.

As far as the replacement minister for St Georges Tron is concerned, will it have been made clear to him by his employers that to question the policy of the C of S on practising homosexuality in the ordination and membership of the denomination is not an option?
Alasdair (Guest) 31/01/2013 08:42
“As far as the replacement minister for St Georges Tron is concerned, will it have been made clear to him by his employers that to question the policy of the C of S on practising homosexuality in the ordination and membership of the denomination is not an option?” Well, as a member of the C of S I certainly wasn’t aware of this “policy”. All ministers are asked the same basic questions at the time of induction – or did I miss something?

In practice, unlike the situation in some of the “tighter” evangelical churches, there is no “thought police” or shepherding. There is an honourable tradition of dissent and liberty of opinion on matters of conscience. For example, no one asked the breakaway Tron congregation to modify their sincerely held views nor were they put under any pressure to do so before they decided to head for the hills.

Editor 31/01/2013 10:15
Thanks to all for their contributions to this thread.

I think all that has to be said has now been said. So unless there is any further developments (which will probably warrant a new article anyway)further posting meanwhile is better discontinued.

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joy knowles (Guest) 04/02/2014 20:07
I loved the Tron In Glasgow, it became my church while I lived there. I am from the Bahamas originally....I am so proud of the lovely members of that church. God bless you and keep you and make his face to shine upon you, for your steadfastness to God's word.
Editor 05/02/2014 10:29
Glad to hear that you were blessed through your time at the Tron Church. Very sadly the evangelioal minister and evangelical congregation have now left the building and the denomination due to the latter's descent into apostasy.
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