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Papal visit 460 years after the Reformation

Pope Benedict XVI made the first state visit of a Pope to the United Kingdom since the Refomation in the 16th Century and 460 years after John Knox led the Reformation in Scotland. The visit is not free of controversy.

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Queen and PopeFOUR hundred and fifty years after John Knox and the Lords of the Congregation launched the Reformation in Scotland a Roman Catholic Pope has made his first state visit to these shores.
In a significant departure from normal arrangements and viewed as an important mark of respect the Pontiff was met by Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh at Edinburgh Airport.

The present visit of Pope Benedict XVI follows a visit made by his predecessor Pope John Paul, but there are important differences between these two occasions. While the previous Pope’s visit was pastoral this visit is a formal state occasion.

Pope Benedict has been officially invited by the Queen into a Britain which saw an earlier monarch and an ancestor of the Queen issue a declaration of independence from the Pope of that day. In 1534AD King Henry VIII set himself up as head of the Church of England – a position still held by the current Queen.

The run-up to the Pope’s visit has been marked by public and widespread criticism of recently-uncovered and widespread incidents of child abuse perpetrated by Roman Catholic clergy. The Pope has been accused of turning a blind eye to these serious cases in order to protect the reputation of the Church.

C of S Moderator not present

The Pope’s plane landed in Edinburgh on the morning of Thursday, 16 September, 2010. He was then driven to Holyrood Palace in the Scottish capital where he was officially met and welcomed by the Queen. She then introduced him to a line-up of official representatives including, the Scottish First Minister, the Archbishop of Canterbury and the UK’s Deputy Prime Minister. The Moderator of the Church of Scotland was not in the line up due to a 'mix up'. The BBC commentary described the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams as the head of the Church of Scotland.

Queen speakingA speech of welcome was given by the Queen, in which she expressed the hope that the visit would “provide an opportunity to deepen the relationship between the Roman Catholic church and the Established Church of England and the Church of Scotland.”

The Monarch also thanked the Vatican for its role in ending the sectarian violence in Northern Ireland.

Aggressive Secularism

In his response and address the Pope included reference to what he sees as “aggressive forms of secularism” which are attacking traditional values. This has been a theme of many of the Pope's public statements and it is perhaps significant that the Pontiff addressed this issue right at the start of his 4-day visit to the UK.

In 1707 Scotland legally united with England and Wales to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain via an Act of Union with a single monarch and a London-based government. Paving the way for this historic event was the Act of Settlement in 1701 which stipulated that every monarch would be of the Protestant faith and married to a Protestant.

From 1707 until the formation of a new Scottish Parliament in 1999, the annual Church of Scotland General Assembly was the nearest thing Scotland had to a national parliament.
The last Catholic uprising in Scotland was the Battle of Culloden in 1746 on the outskirts of Inverness in which the ‘Young Pretender’ Prince Charles Edward Stuart and those Highland clans who supported him were defeated by government troops. Prince Charles escaped and subsequently fled to France.

At the time of the Reformation, John Knox and his companions had no desire to see two churches in Scotland. Rather he sought to reform the church of his day. In drawing up a Scot’s Confession the starting point was not institutional reform but the setting out of beliefs.
It is on this point of Biblical fidelity that evangelical believers remain critical – highly in some cases – of the Roman Catholic Church. [See article 'But the Bible does not say'.]

A 60-strong delegation of the Free Presbyterian Church in Ireland travelled to Scotland to make protest about the Pope’s visit. In advance of the visit, the Rev. Ian Paisley said that the protest would be peaceful: “We will be having a meeting in the place where the church of Scotland was formed and was presided over by John Knox. That building will be at our disposal. “We will unfurl a banner and have a public meeeting outside that building in the Grassmarket. “What we're doing, we're making a legitimate protest about something that is entirely wrong and I am looking at myself as a person who is prepared to champion those who have been very, very badly treated by these priests of Rome.”

Many would argue that one of the underlying factors in the cases of child abuse in the Roman Catholic Church is the Church’s insistence on celibacy amongst it’s clergy; a practice which the Bible describes as ‘the doctrine of demons’ (1 Tim 4:1-4).

Following the reception in Edinburgh which culminated in a motorised procession through the centre of Edinburgh the Pope was to have lunch with the menu including the traditional Scottish dish of  'haggis, neaps and tatties'.  By the time he left Holyrood he was wearing a scarf of a newly-created St. Ninian's Tartan and gifted to him by the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland.
Later in the day he was go on to Glasgow and hold an open-air service (Mass) in Scotland’s second city’s Bellahouston Park.

After receive the Pope, the Queen returned to her traditional late Summer/Autumn retreat at Balmoral Castle in 'Royal Deeside'.

Pope Benedict’s predecessor Pope John Paul II made a hugely-popular pastoral visit to Scotland in 1982. However the (Protestant) Church of Scotland – though since its formation racked and much-weakened by schism maintains its position as the national church. The Kirk as it is affectionately known, stands of the brink of yet another major split over the subject of human sexuality.
Meanwhile the Roman Catholic Church in general and the present Pope in particular speak out strongly in defence of traditional views of sexuality and marriage.

A commemoration service marking the 460th anniversary of the historic events of 1560AD in Scotland is scheduled to be held in Edinburgh's St. Giles Cathedral later this year.
See 'The Reformation: they think it's all over; it is now'

For an overview of Scotland written around pictures of Edinburgh earlier this year (May 2010) see:
A Snapshot of Scotland at Election Time

Christians Together, 16/09/2010

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Peter Carr 17/09/2010 08:28

Jesus came from the Father full of grace and truth. Extend grace by all means, but not at the cost of truth!

Matt 5: 13 Jesus says, "You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men."

P.S. I think that when we point a finger that there are only 3 pointing back at us (the thumb points in a different direction).
Crawford Harvey (Guest) 21/09/2010 15:17
There appears to be a lack of contibutions to this post or the other one dealing with the visit to our country of the pope. This sums up the apathy which seems to be wide spread. Or perhaps the word should not be 'apathy', but 'fear!'

Fear of being tagged as intollerant or sectarian etc.if we criticise this man's visit to Scotland in the year of the 450th anniversary of the Scottish Reformation.

Or perhaps most of the Church actually do think that we are all basically the same and that everyone should just be nice to each other for that is the Christian thing to do!

John Knox would have been scandalised at the events of the past week. What has happened to the Church? Have we really surrendered the doctrines for which Knox and others fought?

Doesn't it sadden your heart that 'evangelical' Christains can say, as I heard the other day, "I watched the coverage and it was really lovely!"

No wonder the Church (whatever denomination) is seeing a dwindling influence. We must get back to the Bible and start preaching the gospel again.

My heart overflows with thanksgiving that I am justified by faith alone, in Christ alone, by grace alone, to the glory of God alone!

But it is also heavy knowing that the pope and his church are leading honest and sincere people astray by preaching another gospel which is no gospel! And I, like so many others, did nothing.

May God forgive us!

The word to sum it all up is sadness.
Peter Carr 21/09/2010 15:22
Yes Crawford, it is time to get back to basics!! And it must start with you and I.

2 Timothy 4:2

"Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction."

Crawford Harvey (Guest) 21/09/2010 15:33
I agree, Peter. And it is a challenge that I know motivates you as well as me. The responsibility is huge, but the privilege of the ministry he has called us to is indescribable.

May we labour dilligently to ensure that our message will always be that of the apostle's, "Jesus Christ and him crucified!"
(1 Co 2:2)
Pawlo 21/09/2010 18:43
Crawford Harvey wrote;

"There appears to be a lack of contributions to this post or the other one dealing with thevisit to our Country of the pope. This sums up the apathy which seems to be wide spread. Or perhaps the word should not be 'apathy' but fear!"

I wouldn't make any judgements regarding the spiritual condition of the church based on the forum use of this website!

"and I like so many others, did nothing."

I am interested, what do you think you should have done?
Peter Carr 21/09/2010 21:14
Paul, I cannot answer for Crawford, but it has increased my resolve to preach the whole counsel of God, with only Jesus Christ at the centre and not some mere mortal!!

John 14:6 (New International Version)

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Rosemary Cameron 21/09/2010 21:51
In response to Crawford's earlier post, I think that a large part of the protestant church in Scotland has forgotten what the reformation was about, if they ever knew in the first place. A regard for the truth has been replaced by PC ecumenicalism, leaving just a few lone voices crying in the wilderness. What are things coming to when a Free Church minister defends the Pope on Radio Scotland! A sorry state in my opinion.
PS. I have nothing against the Pope as a person, but everything against him when he sets himself up as the head of the supposed one true christian church from which the protestant churches are supposedly in rebellion! Not for long however - contemplative prayer, mysticism and ecumenicalism will soon ensure that most protestant churches return to the Roman Catholic fold!
Peter Carr 22/09/2010 06:48
Contemplative prayer? Please explain.
Alec (Guest) 22/09/2010 09:57
Rosemary, that would be David Robertson?

(Is the Pope right about Christ?)

Interesting repsonse from another FC minister here:

The trouble is, David Robertson is so obsessed with Richard Dawkins and neo-atheism that it has affected his judgment. Anyone who says anything against secularism and the so called "fundamentalist atheists" is ipso facto one of his buddies.

Yet at the same time he is trying to change his churches position on worship in order to attract the CONSERVATIVES from the C of S!!

He is trying to be all things to all men and risks getting it in the neck from everyone.

The single biggest problem (for evangelicals) with the papal visit is that the greatest opposition came from secularists and NOT "Jack Glass" style "Protestant truth" supporters. Sure, Rev Ian Paisley put in a protest but it was barely noticeable.

The whole theological / spiritual map of Scotland has changed over the last 50 years (maybe 20 years) Nothing is really black and white any more.

One thing is sure however, conservative catholicism and conservative evangelicalism have an awful lot in common when it comes to social issues.

Rosemary Cameron 23/09/2010 21:17
Thanks Alec for the links - it's all becoming a little clearer, or perhaps I should say murkier, as I look into David Robertson's church and what it is promoting under the banner of solas (light) in the form of a conference in November with Ravi Zacharias as a keynote speaker. This is the same man who attended a Mormon conference and, from what I can gather, completely failed to tell the assembled Mormons that they were believing in a false gospel. See

As for contemplative prayer, I mean the sort where you are encouraged to empty your mind by using a verse or word of scripture as a mantra, in order to encounter 'god'. For a more in-depth treatment of the subject see and other related articles on (written by an ex-catholic). Or read A Time of Departing by Ray Yungen.

The only true basis for church unity is Jesus Christ - unity on any other basis or issue is a false unity. As long as the Pope adheres to the doctrine of Mary as co-redeemer with Christ, unity with protestant reformed churches is impossible (and this is just one doctrine of many which separates Roman Catholicism from Reformed Protestantism) and I cannot say with David Robertson that the Pope is a fellow christian.
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