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The Dilemma for Democracy

The Political Pendulum and the Wrecking Ball

Wrecking BallA good Christian brother sent me the following link to a piece entitled Democracy: the unfinished revolution’  as a “programme for democratic reform”.
My response is as follows (and I would be interested in yours) -

By way of a return:

That's a challenging view from Spiked: indeed it's one held by many others also.
Prior to the election of Donald Trump an American Christian leader (Lance Wallnau) predicted the  former’s victory and described Trump as being “God’s Wrecking Ball”. Whether Trump enjoys divine sanction I do not know, but he has certain brought the entrenched establishment into utter disarray. It may be that Boris, if elected, will play the same role in here in the UK.
The system certainly needs to be challenged, but I am concerned about the ‘pendulum’ syndrome.
I have (on-and-off) been reading a book which presents a short history of Europe. (This morning I read the following: Richard Dawkins would like what it suggests about the electorate's cognitive abilities.)
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THE ANCIENT GREEKS invented the democratic state. They also invented politics, a word which comes from their word for city, polis. There had long been governments of various sorts; the Greeks invented government by discussion among all citizens and majority voting. Theirs was direct democracy in which all citizens gathered in one place to debate and determine policy. Not all the Greek city-states were democracies, and democracies were always precarious.
Of all the little democratic states, we know most about Athens, where democracy survived with some interruptions for 170 years. During this time, all the men born in Athens had the right to participate in government, but not women or slaves.
We call our system democracy but it is very different from Athenian democracy; ours is representative democracy. We are not regularly involved in the process of government. We vote every three or four years; we have the opportunity to complain and stage demonstrations and make submissions, but we do not directly vote on every issue that comes before the parliament.
If the people were directly in charge of our democracy, we know it would be a very different system from what we have. Of course not all the people could gather in one place but we could reproduce the Greek system if, on every issue, there was a referendum conducted on the internet. With such a system we know from the public-opinion polls that Australia would never have had a policy to bring migrants from countries other than Britain; there would definitely be no Asian migrants; we would almost certainly be hanging criminals and we might be flogging them as well; overseas aid would probably not exist; single mothers would struggle to keep their pension; students would probably struggle to keep their benefits. So you might think it is as well that the ignorance and the prejudice of the people do not have free rein.
If you have come to that position you are now close to the view of Socrates, who had severe doubts about Athenian democracy and whose criticisms help us to understand how it operated. They complained that the people were fickle; they were indecisive; they were ignorant; they were easily swayed. Government is a fine art that requires wisdom and judgment, which are not the possession of all citizens.
The philosophers would be much happier with our system of representative democracy. No matter what we say about our representatives, they are usually better educated and better informed than the people as a whole. Our politicians are guided by a civil service in which there are very able people. So the people do not rule directly and there is an input from those who are trained and reflective about the whole business of government. But Socrates, Plato and Aristotle would not call our system democracy.
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I have several problems with our Representative Democracy  which Churchill described as “the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”


Every ruler’s waking thought
As an observation (God is the judge) I would guess that a great number of those who reach the pinnacles of power are megalomaniac, self-serving egoists. To paraphrase geopolitical analyst George Friedman:

'The first thought in the mind of a President or Prime Minister each morning has nothing to do with the economy, foreign policy, the balance of trade, unemployment, or energy needs. No, their first concern on awakening each day is: "How do I stay in power".'

And yet these folk lead our parliaments and, by extension, over-rule on our lives.

The political-power dilemma
Another problem I have is the Catch 22 of achieving efficacious political influence. As I would see it – for a politician of principle to achieve positions of power and influence he or she needs to be prepared to shipwreck their personal convictions in order to achieve high office. The alternative is to stay faithful to one’s beliefs and remain forever on the side-lines. It’s a lose-lose scenario.
From Frying Pan to Fire
Having said all of that the other thing that concerns me is that we, the people, are indeed fickle: as changeable as the wind. If we don’t like what we have we automatically turn to the ‘other’ on the mindless and unreliable assumption that the ‘other’ will be better.
As we await His return
As a final point, we are in rebellion and suffering just as the Lord warned the Jews they would when they rejected Him as Sovereign. Democracy, even in best form will not do: it will never do. We, the people, need to return to The King.
Just some thoughts: feel free to add yours.
Mini 24/07/2019 21:46
The problem with the current democracy is the politicians. First, even in my lifetime, there was a committment on the part of elected MPs to serve their constituents, to listen to them, and to be their voice in parliament. This is no longer the case. For some reason MPs think that when we vote for them we are giving them the prerogative to voice their own opinions in parliament and to get paid a hefty sum for doing so!
Second, I am aghast at what is happening in the UK and perhaps even more so, that Christians seem to not want to see it. Our governments have demolished all of God's laws one by one, ALL OF THEM, and not only so, but they have boasted about it as an accomplishment. Some countries never had God's Law - China for example could have at least a small excuse for behaving badly, but not us. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for a nation to do what we have done and still retain any semblence of wisdom. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. No democracy can work in the prevailing circumstances in Britain. God is to be taken seriously and demolishing His laws is to be taken seriously. Not even genuine believers seem to see what is going on. Why do they think democracy has gone? Why do they think the sheer blind folly of all authorities in this country has come about? It's everything - government; medicine; teachers; church leaders; science; universities; local authorities; the law courts...
This will NEVER BE RESTORED unless there is some kind of mass repentance. A huge and horrific realisation and understanding of what we have all done! Only God can give that kind of repentance. We can't work it up in ourselves.
I keep thinking of Ninevah - such an evil city and not Jewish, yet they repented when they heard Jonah preach. Everyone EVERYONE in the city put on sackcloth and mourned and they even put sackcloth on the animals! And God saved them!
I recently saw a you tube video of Jonathan Cahn speaking at a presidential breakfast, and addressing Obama - you should have heard him! He spoke the words of God without any dissembling whatsoever, and I'm thinking "Father WHY is there NOBODY in the UK confronting the government with your words?"
If anyone wants to listen to what he said the link is here (hope it's ok)

jack (Guest) 25/07/2019 09:55
Where life prospers - in all its myriad biological and socially organised forms, the influence of God’s sacrificial, triune nature - as lived through and embodied in Jesus Christ will be seen to be freely operating, and where life is disordered, decaying or dead - the effects of that same trinity pattern will be seen to be diminishing, corrupted or non-existent.

Truly, to deny or thwart the trinity - in whatever realm it is operating, is to court disorder and constitutional breakdown - all as manifested in the dead, disintegrating and decomposing state of Britain.

This nation doesn’t need revival - it needs resurrection - and this will require our God to turn His face, once more - towards this god forsaken, confused and celebrity worshipping land - and say, authoritatively - ‘Enough is enough’.

And that time will surely come – for truly we are now well imbedded in the time of the ‘falling away’ as spoken off by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2.

Editor 29/07/2019 10:09
SNP MP facing censure

As a current example of how political policies conflict with Christian values, the SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford has attracted the attention of the church which he attends.

Duirinish Free Church of Scotland on the ialsnd of Skye has been reported as stating that the stance taken by church member Mr. Blackford on the issues of abortion and same-sex marriage in Northern Ireland "did not reflect the teachings of the church".

Read on.
Editor 31/07/2019 10:24
Note to Jack and JL (Guests). I have deleted your earlier posts about who is and who isn't a Christian for the following reasons -
1. They have nothing to do with the subject matter of the article and
2. It is only God (ultimately) who can judge the condition of a person's heart and their standing before God in Jesus Christ.
Editor 31/07/2019 19:19
Jack and JL. If you have further comments please e-mail these to me. I have said before I have had to close down the comments section before because of persistent anonymous postings. I don't want to have to do this again.
Mini (Guest) 03/08/2019 23:35
Good to know the DFC stood up for Christian values. Unlike Justin Welby who spoke against a Christian doctor recently.

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