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Tron Church quits the Church of Scotland

One of the highest-profile congregations in Scotland has quit the national church over the latter's alleged departure from the authority of God's Word.


first published 17/06/12

UPDATE 08/10/12

Tron congregation writes to Glasgow Presbytery

UPDATE 08/12/12

Court Papers served on Church during prayer meeting

Meanwhile one of the Tron leadership writes:
"Our congregation numbers have been building steadily and I was told that this morning there was only two seats left on he ground floor and the gallery full."

TronLast Monday a very prominent city-centre church in Glasgow commonly known as ‘the Tron’, took a step into the unknown when on June 11th 2012, the congregation quit the Church of Scotland.

The Rev. Dr. William Philip, minister of the 500-strong congregation of St George’s Tron Church located in the bustling shopping precinct of Buchanan Street has affirmed that this was and is no rash move. Concerning this development he has written: “Our decision to separate from the Church of Scotland is the culmination of careful thought, sincere discussion and prayer for over 12 months.”

The congregation are leaving a denomination which the former believes is separating itself from the authority of God’s word. Writing on the Tron’s website the clergyman continues:

“Last year, despite having had the clear opportunity, the General Assembly failed to reverse the stance taken in 2009 approving the appointment of ordained ministers in same-sex relationships. Instead, it clearly and deliberately chose to set an opposite trajectory towards normalising such relationships. In doing so the highest court of the Kirk has marginalised the Bible, the written Word of God. We believe the Church of Scotland is choosing to walk away from the biblical gospel, and to walk apart from the faith of the worldwide Christian Church.”

If the leadership and congregation at the Tron needed any additional reason(s) to quit the Church of Scotland, then the decision by the denomination’s General Assembly last month to allow other faith groups to hold services in Kirk buildings has provided a further prompt. (The question was brought to the floor of the most recent Assembly largely because of the actions of Rev. Scott Rennie – the Aberdeen minister at the heart of the gay clergy issue – who has given permission to Hindu groups to use the Queen’s Cross church premises for worship.)

Although media headlines have stated that the Tron’s departure represents the first local church to leave the denomination, in a de facto sense the (bulk of the) congregation of High Hilton church in Aberdeen quit the Kirk last October. On that occasion however those involved moved out of the church building.

In the case of the Tron church, the congregation most recently raised millions of pounds to cover a major refurbishment. One church member who was at the heart of the very substantial upgrade to the building has commented:

“Regardless of the risks and the fact that many members provided substantial sacrificial offerings for the development of the building as a gospel station in the city centre, the membership have put biblical priorities in first place ahead of buildings.”

In the event, the overall total expenditure was close to £3M - most of which was paid for by the membership.

Any significant Church of Scotland news would normally result in a media statement from the Kirk’s HQ, however, in this case, the denomination would seem to be downplaying the situation. It has merely, and on request, provided a ‘comment’ which states:

We can confirm that we have been informed by the Minister and Session Clerk of Glasgow St George’s Tron that they and a number of members wish to leave the Church of Scotland because of the decisions taken by the 2011 General Assembly.’
Included is a response from a Church of Scotland spokesperson:

“The Presbytery of Glasgow and the Church of Scotland General Trustees are saddened at the decision of the Minister and members of Glasgow St George’s Tron to leave the Church of Scotland. Discussions will take place with representatives of the Tron over the coming weeks to clarify the situation and determine the best way of preserving a Church of Scotland ministry presence in Glasgow city centre. No decisions have been taken about the on-going use of the building, or the outstanding financial obligations to the Church of Scotland and the General Trustees.”

The Kirk’s communiqué adds:

• The Congregation of the St George’s Tron Church have outstanding arrears on their contributions to Ministries and Mission in the Church of Scotland.
• There is also an outstanding loan made by the General Trustees to the congregation in 2007 to support a remodelling of the building.
• Glasgow Presbytery has a special commission looking at the plan for ministry in Glasgow city centre. It is due to report later this year.
• The St George’s Tron building is owned by the Church of Scotland General Trustees.
• No other congregations have indicated any intention to leave the Church of Scotland, although we are aware of a number of individuals who are unhappy with the direction they perceive the Church to be taking. Each set of circumstances is different.
• The Church of Scotland has set up a Theological Commission to examine whether persons in a civil partnership are eligible for admission for training, ordination and induction as ministers of Word and Sacrament or deacons, among other issues, and a further report will be presented to the 2013 General Assembly. It is disappointing that any Minister or members feel the need to leave the Church before the Commission reports. We stress that no final decisions have been taken, and the Church is currently holding more dialogue on this issue.

The finances of each parish church are tied to the Kirk's central funds but the present occupiers of the 17th-century site are likely to claim their investment of time and money earns a moral entitlement to ownership. Given the congregation’s desire to remain in the building it is difficult to see how the issue will be resolved without recourse to legal channels.

1. The Tron is one the best-known evangelical Church of Scotland congregations – with an impressive list of Bible-preaching luminaries serving as former ministers including Rev. Thomas Chalmers from 1815 -1819. Additionally the location at the heart of the main shopping centre in Scotland’s largest city gives the building a very prominent profile.

2. Since the General Assemblies of May 2009 and 2010 considerable upset has been experienced across the denomination over the Church of Scotland’s persistent failure to unequivocably state its position on what the Bible allows (and disallows) regarding human sexual relationships. In the wake of last year’s Assembly a meeting was held in the Tron which saw hundreds of ministers and elders from across Scotland gather to express their grave concerns. A Christians Together report was prepared following that meeting.

Subsequently a further assessment of the situation within Scotland’s national church was written up under the title ‘Harvest is past; the summer has ended’. Since that time some ministers and many members have quit the denomination. Many who remain are withholding their giving to central church funds and this action is exacerbating the serious financial situation in which the denomination finds itself.

The departure of the Tron’s minister, elders and congregation with the high-level of attendant risk regarding their recent investments in the premises, is indicative of the extent to which they place little faith in the denomination reversing its acceptance of gay clergy.
Another high-profile congregation which has also recently made a high level of investment in its building is amongst other local churches considering their future within the denomination. Reverend Dominic Smart said elders at Gilcomston South Church in Aberdeen disagreed with the General Assembly's stance, feeling it had "marginalised" the Bible.

3. Concerning the Tron congregation's future the statement on its website affirms:

“We cannot depart from the historic foundations of our Church, and will not separate from communion with orthodox Christian believers globally. Consequently, we intend to realign with a church grouping which remains clearly and publicly committed to orthodox Christianity.

“Our ongoing work remains our priority. We are a diverse, growing Christian family made up of people from all walks of life, of all ages, from many nations. We are passionate about the life of our church in Glasgow City Centre, serving the city seven days a week. Our earnest desire is that we can continue our wide-ranging service to the people of Glasgow uninterrupted. To this end, although we are no longer part of the Church of Scotland, the leaders of our congregation remain in positive and constructive engagement with the denomination. Our goal is to ensure that all issues around this separation are dealt with reasonably and peaceably, and for the honour of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

4. For a short history of the Church of Scotland and derivative presbyterian denominations from 1560 to the present day, see article 'Presbyterianism - Scottish style'.

Christians Together, 17/06/2012

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Penny Lee 27/12/2012 18:25
Stephen (Guest) 27/12/2012 19:13
I thought it was self explanatory. If God's justice were to be metted out we would all be condemned. However he chooses to extend mercy. His justice is tempered by mercy. His law cannot be followed completely by man. It is according to his mercy that we can access the righteousness of God.
Focusing like a Pharasee on the implementation of laws misses this key fact of God's character, his plan of salvation and his injunctions as to how we should act towards our fellow man.
I am reminded of the story of Jonah where he pleads with God for the destruction of the city but then sulks when it is not forthcoming. This is an illustration of God's justice being tempered by mercy.
I am sure that you can make the final connection
Penny Lee 27/12/2012 20:29
Yes - I understand now that you have spoken in plain English! And maybe that's what's wrong with the churches too - their message is complicated and contradictory. Keep it simple, and keep it Biblical. That way, we shouldn't go far wrong.

None of would be here without God's mercy and none of us will be there with Him in Heaven without repentance. Both are required - it really is that simple!
Stephen (Guest) 27/12/2012 20:39
Jonah's story was that he wanted the Ninevites destroyed as he did not consider them suitable. God thought different. God decides where to exercise his mercy.
To continue from the Merchant of Venice if I may, although God is entitled to his pound of flesh he chooses not to take it in the case of those he saves.
Our talking about obedience to the laws does not enter into this which is God's purpose as he sets about making a people for himself.
The chatechism is on the mark when it says that man's chief aim is to enjoy God and to glorify him forever. Perhaps we should go back to looking at the shorter chatechism.

Stephen (Guest) 27/12/2012 21:05
I can't help but say that the whole issue of keeping it Biblical raises an important question. What does the bible mean? How do we interpret the bible. Is it a literal interpretation? What is the theological underpinning? Think back to the deliberations of the early church which eventually resulted in the Nicean Council and creed.
Think of the bible as history, prophecy, poetry etc - each to be interpreted in that form. Think of the themes which run through the bible. Think of the prefiguring of the gospel in the old testament. Think of the passages especially in the prophecies where a range of interpretations have been adopted.
My conclusion is that the bible cannot be interpreted literally. For me it is the source of the gospel and of God's plan of salvation for man. It is also the only place where we can discover God or at least that which he has chosen to reveal to us.
Stephen (Guest) 27/12/2012 21:07
To add one thing. the bible in my view cannot be interpreted literally throughout.
Penny Lee 27/12/2012 23:03
We have to consider what the Bible is. Is it a compilation of interesting stories, some of it true and other parts open to debate and interpretation. I believe it is true from start to finish and is God inspired. Since God cannot err, then I have complete faith in what the
Bible says. I agree ithat certain parts can be difficult to understand but these are not those crucial issues of how we stand before Christ, what He has already done to make us acceptable to Him and what we must do to receive salvation. It cannot also possibly list all the sins we could commit, but those it does list are clear enough and we will have no excuse if we deliberately choose to ignore them.

I don't believe that our salvation depends on us having to have great intellect to decipher complicated or ambiguous text. All that we need to know is clear and concise. Why do we always have to make it so complicated?

God does not play tricks on us - He would not leave us instructions which had to be decoded by experts or which He had allowed to became distorted over time. The Bible tells us all sorts of things which we could debate for eternity but the parts which we need to know are all there and simple enough for a child to understand.
Simple believer (Guest) 27/12/2012 23:23
How right you are. The plain things are the main things and the main things are the plain things.
Ewan Wilson (Guest) 28/12/2012 00:55
We must be very careful what we mean when we say God in His mercy chooses not to take 'His pound of flesh'. Not from His undeserving, hell deserving, rebellious saints, that is true; but He certainly DOES exact the price vicarioisly in the Person of His Son , Jesus Christ, whose blood and righteousness is the cost of our deliverance; He alone is the fit Mediator between God and men. Without Him we are already condemned.
So, salvation may be free to us sinners but it certainly wasn't without immense cost. Nor could it be otherwise: God is a God of perfect Justice as well as of perfect Mercy.
Ewan Wilson (Guest) 28/12/2012 01:10
Derek and Alasdair,

With all your hand wringing over alleged 'self righteousness' in calling sin a sin, maybe you forget that Scripture is far from slow in denouncing sin, let alone condemning it. ALL sin is to be repented of, but as the Catechism says, certain sins in themselves and by reason of several aggravations, are more heinous in the sight of God than others. We do well to be sobered by that warning and the fact Scripture so obviously abominates sexual misbehaviour- ie any extra marital sexual relations and lust in the heart itself.
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