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Someone thinks we're doing it wrong

A recent 'post' on an article on the legal situation regarding street preaching produced an angry response from a member of the public. He (or she) feels offended and suggests that street preaching is the wrong way to go about it.
 

 
Street PreacherThe following is a direct copy of the message that was posted with the expletives removed.

I love doing a bit of shopping to the sound of unevolved christian zealots screaming down an amplified microphone, calling shoppers sinners and preaching (strong expletive) in the middle of the street.

I saw two children crying recently for (strong expletive). It is rediculous. I think there should be more stringent laws against this in the UK? Believe what you want, but don't you dare shove it down peoples throats you (strong expletive). (Strong expletive)!


You don't see the RAC man screaming at people with a 250w Marshall amp, calling them traitors for not joining one of the UK's most progressive motoring organisations, that has over 7million members, and the world's most advanced computer systems to deal with roadside assistance calls...NO! He humbly stands there and waits for people to approach him for information, not the other way round. You don't see the British Legion up in peoples faces do you? No because they respect personal space.

Christians, your DOING IT WRONG!

Regards,

Rational people.

The video below contains various scenes of outreach work amongst pre-Christmans shoppers in Glasgow during a Saturday afternoon in the main shopping area of Buchanan Street. The video was taken by Christians Together in December 2008 and the opening scene is perhaps representative of what the above writer is speaking about. The original article produced some responses.


Christians Together, 04/12/2010

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RF (Guest) 06/12/2010 18:16
It is surely true that it takes more than Billy Graham to persuade the majority of people to accept Christianity. It is also surely true that no human being is perfect, indeed the Christian religion relies on that being a fact. I agree that,at best, the only hope for each member of the human race is that they are upward self improvers!

I observe so many Christians having heated internal debates rather than attempting to mentally stand outside of their belief i.e. in order to scrutinize it objectively.

On the subject of objectivity it is refreshing to read that the spiritual leader of Tibet concedes that he might not be divine afterall; it is big of him if he has conceded that.


If you believe that Jesus had perfect theology that makes Christians atheists in the sense that all those other current 'great' religions, as well as those that have disappeared, are false. If that is true it suggests that human gullibility, as well as political oppression where it applies, is frequently operating all over the religious map and always has. Many people are seemingly gullible!


Peter Carr (Guest) 06/12/2010 20:12
RF,

You don't have to be gullible to take God at His word, in fact many will discover at the end of time how unwise it was to ignore it!

Ps 14 1 - 3

1 "The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.

2 The LORD looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one."

Thankfully He has provided the solution through Jesus, who says in Jn 8: 12, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."


Martin Lisemore 06/12/2010 22:09
Roland, I read you had bowed out of debates on this website! I sensed you could not tolerate our company any more. But nice to have you back. Welcome!

Peter's quote, the fool says in his heart, remember a different rendering of mine, from weeks ago, the fool says 'no,' to God. That's actually a more accurate translation of the Hebrew.

That's where you are! A most dangerous place for you.

I read your post above and must say, some muddled thinking here! Either back off or explain yourself!

Jesus had perfect theology that makes Christians atheists.

How can Christians, who believe and experience this God on a daily basis be a-theists? Anti-God! Unbelievers in a Supreme God?

Roland, please do explain, if only for my edification.

I wait to be edified.
Martin Lisemore 06/12/2010 23:20
Roland, I've taken time out to re-read your latest post!

'On the subject of objectivity it is refreshing to read that the spiritual leader of Tibet concedes that he might not be divine afterall; it is big of him if he has conceded that.'

Yes, very big, considering he faces the same judgement all unbelievers face. Sounds like a partial cop-out to me, a sop to a God he doesn't know. A denial of the leadership which has ensured his wealth and security for many years.

We Christians don't have any spiritual leaders apart from the Holy Spirit, who is the third Person of the Trinity. So actually, whether the Dalai Lama admits his carnality or not, is of little consequence to Christians. It would be very good for him if he were to bow the knee to Jesus in this life (he will eventually), but admitting his carnality is of no consequence per se. He must, and will at a point yet to be determined, bow the knee to Jesus; by then it may be too late for him.

What about you? Are you going to leave matters until it's too late?

What are you, a callow youth, unable to sustain a challenge to your bolted on beliefs, or a man; man enough to sustain debate, argument, reason, and admit you might be wrong? So far, you have studiously avoided each of my posts which challenges your so called 'beliefs' which actually are not beliefs! They're bits and pieces suiting your way of life!

Again, I ask, are you a callow youth or a man? I now have formed opinions of you.

Again, Roland, please do answer, if only for my edification.

Ready for a front up challenge? My Jesus is, but the question is, are you? Right now I don't think so.

Jesus is the most absolutely perfect example of a perfect man. As our Father intended man to be.

I say again, Roland, email me and call me. I'll even pay for the call!







RF (Guest) 07/12/2010 19:05
With regard to Christian's being atheists that was a point, yes, made in a playful way, that there are scores of gods that Christians do not believe in. Playful but perhaps not a correct use of the definition of an atheist; however I could have pointed out [again] that there is evidence to suggest that many Christian officials do not believe Christian doctrine!

Let me cut to the chase and give some of my reasons, in a shorthand fashion, for not believing in Christianity;
[1] If there is evil - God therefore not so clever and therefore not what is claimed.
[2]Pascal's wager is a weak argument - it's daft.
[3]We are a grain in an expanding universe and God decides to put his advertisement in a little obscure part of the middle east
[4] much of the Christian Christmas story is not even original
[5]There are many contradictions in the bible. Many. That being the case it should be worrying for Christians because the story then surely becomes incoherent and untrustworthy.
[7]Can we agree that there are likely to be billions of prayers unanswered? Ok, you might bring up [debatable] stories of a few answered prayers but are you seriously suggesting that prayers are answered at the time or later? No. Or do I hear a protesting 'yes'. Do not go there because you cannot sustain it.
[8] God has not protected his own officials - dying priests during Black Death etc.
[9] Darwin did not destroy the possibility of a god but pretty much demolished Christianity arguments about their god - those that botherd to listen.
[10] the Christian books - what to put in and what to leave out was decided by humans not 'god' Each had their own agenda.
[11]the rapid spread of Christianity is said to be significant - it would not have spread so fast unless....
Without the Roman leader I doubt it would, in all probablity, have got beyond a sect
[12]A convenient God does not make it true
[13]If science cannot explain it .. God must have done it. The trouble with that is that so often science did eventually explain things that showed Christianity's 'god must have done it' to be wrong
[14] 'bolted on' says ML by that I think he means received information. The trouble with that is there is nothing wrong, as such, with received information / wisdom. In any case I have formed my view from observation,reading, reflecting and deciding.

Penny Lee 07/12/2010 19:14
Rolans says, "In any case I have formed my view from observation,reading, reflecting and deciding."

No different to us then - except we come to very different conclusions. Only one can be the right one, though....
Peter Carr 07/12/2010 20:06
RF,

If you are right and we (Christians) are wrong then we have nothing to fear, however if the reverse is true..!
Martin Lisemore 07/12/2010 20:13
Roland, you remain a pseudo-intellectual. From your post above, unschooled in debate, logic or reason; yet you pit your mind against two thousand years of better educated men and women; people who personally experience Jesus in their lives.

You erroneously quote Darwin, please do read his preface where he says he posits a theory! Puts Darwinianism in the shade, but of course proponents of Darwin avoid this statement, hanging out to dry people like yourself, who actually bolt on, yes, bolt on, bits and pieces of second hand theory and theology to suit themselves.

I once admired your honest enquiry; no longer. It's hollow, and self destructive. You do not have the courage of your convictions, indeed, I don't think you have any true, heart felt, deeply experienced convictions. A mish-mash of this and that put out to refute whatever doesn't suit you at the time.

You're very clearly afraid of Jesus, afraid to admit you could possibly be wrong. Afraid of what you really are. You've avoided every possibility or notion of a challenge; apart from a vicarious pleasure in reading replies to your posts here. Oh! Pride is so destructive of the person.

Meet Him you will, and at that moment you will have no pride! No argument or bolted on theories from long dead philosophers. Just you, naked, ashamed, horribly regretting ... and totally responsible for your days here on earth.

Don't ever say you weren't warned.




RF (Guest) 07/12/2010 22:39
[1]I do not claim to be an intellectual therefore surely cannot be accused of being a pseudo-intellectual.
[2] Just a point - scientists use the term 'theory'in a way not always understood by the public.
[3] It is daft to claim that I do not have any convictions on the basis that I disbelieve one particular dogma or another.
[4] It might appear mish mash because it is formed from across the board reading and worldly observation.I do not agree with everything put in front of me. I am no intellectual but neither am I shallow.I of course make mistakes but so be it; if your god exists and turns out to be vindictive/nasty so be that as well.
[5] You claim to understand me but still think I am afraid of Jesus. Magic.
[7]Peter your last post is linked to Pascals wager. I recommend you explore it.
[8] Prof A C Grayling is not dead by the way.
[9] So, trying to frighten non believers even in the 21st century. And naked?
We are indeed going our separate ways and I am very happy about it on several levels.
Peter Carr 08/12/2010 08:32
RF said, "We are indeed going our separate ways and I am very happy about it on several levels."

God's word says. "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." (Jn 3: 16 - 18)
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